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Exclusive interview of Dr. Irwin Cotler
“This type of proceeding really has an adverse impact on the overall relationship between Canada and Bangladesh” – Cotler
International
Counsel of Blitz editor Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury, Professor Irwin
Cotler, MP., gave an interview to Canada Radio recently. Here is the
excerpts: ROB BREAKENRIDGE (Host): Right now we've got one, I guess
at some level here, update a story we brought you recently. Situation
facing a journalist in Bangladesh,
a journalist who was potentially facing the death penalty was - I
forget when exactly we spoke with Shoaib Choudhury, and also a human
rights' activist in the U.S. Richard Benkin, who has been working
closely with him. We had a few minutes on the line with Mr. Choudhury
before his line was cut, as apparently happens quite often when he's on
the phone discussing his case. Mr Choudhury is facing charges of
sedition, treason, and blasphemy that could face the death penalty. Now
this all stem - now these really seem to be trumped-up charges and the
reason he's come in the crosshairs of the government is his work, his
writing, his calls for normalized relations between Bangladesh and Israel,
his criticism, his vocal criticism of the growing influence in
Bangladesh of Islamic extremists. He has faced death threats. His
newspaper has been attacked. And now the state intends to put him on
trial. Well this case is getting attention from others around the world, including right here in Canada.
A very well known human rights lawyer, a very well-known Member of
Parliament, a former Cabinet Minister in fact, has joined the defense
team. Joining us to talk about his involvement in the case we welcome
to the program Irwin Cotler, who is a Liberal MP from Mount-Royal in Quebec,
former Justice Minister, and of course before entering politics was a
human rights lawyer, still is. Mr. Cotler, welcome to the program. IRWIN COTLER (Liberal MP, Mont-Royal): Thank you. Good to speak with you. BREAKENRIDGE:
Walk us through this then, I guess, how you first became aware of this
case, and how and why you decided to get involved. COTLER: Well actually, I had a long-time interest in Bangladesh.
One of my close colleagues and friends of the former Justice Minister
and Foreign Minister in Bangladesh come out as saying we both served at
the same time on the Board of Directors of Rights and Democracy. We
used to talk about the issues of human rights in Bangladesh.
Then when I became the Minister of Justice and Attorney General, as you
mentioned, I actually met with the Minister of Justice from Bangladesh
twice, both times in Ottawa on the occasion of his state visits, and we
have - well I say the Canadian government has a Canada-Bangladesh joint
rule-of-law project which is intended to protect human rights as best
as it can be within the legal system and the legal process. That is
what is meant by rule-of-law project. So for all of these
considerations, I have this long-time interest if not involvement in Bangladesh. And, more recently, people were discussing this case of Mr. Choudhury in Bangladesh, I even have a fair number of constituents in my own riding in Mount-Royal who are from Bangladesh,
and the case struck me for two reasons. One, as you described it, it
appeared to be not only a case of trumped-up charges, but very similar
in the manner of his treatment by the authorities to cases of other
political prisoners who have represented over the years - namely
someone who is himself involved as a human rights defender in this
instance, a journalist who is speaking out and promoting both interface
dialogue between Jews and Muslims, peaceful relations with Israel.
Ironically enough, one of the things that he was seeking to do when he
was arrested was to attend a peace education conference in Israel, which, unknown to me at the time, I was speaking in Israel
as one of the invited people on peace education. So I began to become,
for all these reasons, interested in this case, and then read about the
fact that he was going to perhaps be put on charge for the charges as
you've now have mentioned. My office got in touch with Richard
Benkin, an American human rights activist as you mentioned who has been
on your show I believe, and he put us in touch with Mr. Choudhury. My
office discussed the case with Mr. Choudhury, and from there we went to
discussing his legal particulars and I then received from him a power
of attorney to act as his international legal counsel, and that's
exactly brings us up to date. I'm now working with his Bangladesh
lawyer, Mr. Goswami, on the preparation of his appeal. This is an
appeal from a petition that he presented in court to quash the charges.
That was denied. That's being appealed. And what's interesting, another
- apart from the fact that the, you know, the appearance of trumped-up
charges, the authorities with respect to his treatment in the criminal
justice system in Bangladesh, of which I said I have a particular
interest in, you know, denied a series of his rights as guaranteed
under Bangladesh law. I'm not talking about Canadian law. I'm talking
about the Bangladesh penal code; the Bangladesh
constitution denied his right to protection against arbitrary arrest,
to protection against illegal pre-trial detention. He had been detained
incommunicado effectively for seventeen months until after pressure, or
representations made but in the form of pressure in that regard and
protest by the PEN by-committee to protect journalists by
parliamentarians in other countries. He was released in April 2005 only
to then be the target, as you put it, of intimidation and beatings and
threats and another series of denials of rights then began to take
place. So I've been able to identify some nine violations of his rights
under Bangladesh
law, violations of such magnitude that the charges should now be
quashed even before the trial begins on the seemingly trumped-up card
charges nonetheless. BREAKENRIDGE: Well as you say then there's a
solid case for that to happen. And with the growing international
attention and pressure regarding this case, is there maybe some
optimism that that will be the outcome, that these charges will be
dropped? COTLER: Well I'll tell you, it's hard to say and previous
cases where I've represented political prisoners I've seen sometimes,
regrettably, you know people detained much longer than they should have
been and then charged and imprisoned and after you know a kind of
show-trial and then one has to keep after it, after the post-conviction
situation. We are now in the just on the eve of the actual trial, and I
would hope that the authorities would quash the charges because one,
again ironically, one of the charges against him with respect to
sedition is that he has been undermining the image of Bangladesh with
his writings, but in fact it's the other way around. It's Bangladesh that is having its image undermined by the nature of the false charges and the abusive prosecution. As I say, we in Canada have a particular interest in this because we have a joint rule-of-law project with Bangladesh in that regard. I've always had, you know, high regard for the evolving democracy in Bangladesh,
so I would hope that they would do the right thing, quash the charges,
because they can appreciate that at this point there are other
parliamentarians, and the European Union passed a resolution protesting
against his charges against him. American Congressmen have been
involved. NGOs as I've mentioned, have taken up the case, so it does
not - it is not even in the, if I can use the term, the self-interest
of Bangladesh you know to continue with this case, apart from the fact
that the very injustice of it warrants to the quashing of the charges. BREAKENRIDGE: Well and Canada does, through a variety of channels, provides a lot of money in foreign aids to Bangladesh,
to help the people of that country. Now that's what it's meant to do.
It would be unfortunate that we would use that as leverage, but maybe
it's an avenue for us to do so. Do you think it's to the point where we
should be looking at options such as that? COTLER: Well I, as I say,
I wouldn't like to see that the Bangladesh people would in any way you
know suffer from any withdrawal of you know foreign aid on our part,
but certainly I think that the Bangladesh government should be
concerned when this type of proceeding has really has an adverse impact
on the overall relationship between Canada and Bangladesh. If we have
an investment in another context in a joint rule-of-law project, then
it does not recommend the continuation of that particular project, if
in fact the project is being undermined and abused and is no longer
serving the purpose for which it was intended. I would not like to see
that happen. I think we want to encourage it in concert and partnership
with the Bangladeshi government the advancement of the rule-of-law, but
we cannot, you know, begin to acquiesce in a process which under the
cover of the rule-of-law ends up undermining the rule-of-law and
putting the people on trial when in fact they should, if anything, be
rewarded for being good citizens and speaking up in favor of interface,
dialogue, and the like. So I would hope that those in authority in Bangladesh
will see, as I say, for reasons of justice, for reasons of the
Canada-Bangladesh relationship, particularly in the matter of the joint
rule-of-law project, and for reason of their own self-image as a
country that wants to be seen to be an evolving democracy that they
would quash the charges. BREAKENRIDGE: Of course being in Parliament
now, as we all realize that the government and in particular the
Foreign Affairs Minister are of another party, but can you be an avenue
of communication with the Department of Foreign Affairs so that the
government is up to speed on this, so if Canada needs to take a
position as a country that we are well-informed and able to do so? COTLER:
Well you mentioned a good point. I think in matter of this kind this is
not a matter of party partisanship. And as it happens I have spoken
with a Member of Parliament from your area, Jason Kenney the
Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister, and I briefed him on
this case and he has himself looked into it and appreciates the nature
of the case, and I am hoping that, you know, the government will make
as well the appropriate representations in this regard. I did raise it
in Parliament before Parliament rose, and spoke in Parliament about
this case, and I'm seeking to engage now you know Parliamentarians from
the various parties, because, as I say, this is not a party free (?)
issue, it is something all Parliamentarians from whatever party and all
people concerned with human rights should in fact take up this case and
cause and make their views known to the Bangladesh authorities. BREAKENRIDGE:
Well Mr. Cotler, we'll leave it there. We'll continue to follow this
case and perhaps touch base a little bit down the road. But in the
meantime, thank you so much for your time here tonight. COTLER: Well
thank you for this. I think that the media itself, which cares so much
about you know freedom of the press and the like would also have an
interest in a fellow journalist, who not only is being imprisoned, but
is being imprisoned because he sought to exercise freedom of the press. BREAKENRIDGE: Well let's hope so. Irwin Cotler thanks again. COTLER: Good speaking with you. BREAKENRIDGE:
Alright, former Justice Minister Irwin Cotler, still Liberal MP for
Mount-Royal, also of course his background as a human rights lawyer,
still acting in that capacity now officially part of the legal team for
journalist, Bangladesh journalist Shoaib Choudhury. So as we say,
follow that case and hopefully others in the media, as Irwin says, do
take note.
International
Counsel of Blitz editor Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury, Professor Irwin
Cotler, MP., gave an interview to Canada Radio recently. Here is the
excerpts: ROB BREAKENRIDGE (Host): Right now we've got one, I guess
at some level here, update a story we brought you recently. Situation
facing a journalist in Bangladesh,
a journalist who was potentially facing the death penalty was - I
forget when exactly we spoke with Shoaib Choudhury, and also a human
rights' activist in the U.S. Richard Benkin, who has been working
closely with him. We had a few minutes on the line with Mr. Choudhury
before his line was cut, as apparently happens quite often when he's on
the phone discussing his case. Mr Choudhury is facing charges of
sedition, treason, and blasphemy that could face the death penalty. Now
this all stem - now these really seem to be trumped-up charges and the
reason he's come in the crosshairs of the government is his work, his
writing, his calls for normalized relations between Bangladesh and Israel,
his criticism, his vocal criticism of the growing influence in
Bangladesh of Islamic extremists. He has faced death threats. His
newspaper has been attacked. And now the state intends to put him on
trial. Well this case is getting attention from others around the world, including right here in Canada.
A very well known human rights lawyer, a very well-known Member of
Parliament, a former Cabinet Minister in fact, has joined the defense
team. Joining us to talk about his involvement in the case we welcome
to the program Irwin Cotler, who is a Liberal MP from Mount-Royal in Quebec,
former Justice Minister, and of course before entering politics was a
human rights lawyer, still is. Mr. Cotler, welcome to the program. IRWIN COTLER (Liberal MP, Mont-Royal): Thank you. Good to speak with you. BREAKENRIDGE:
Walk us through this then, I guess, how you first became aware of this
case, and how and why you decided to get involved. COTLER: Well actually, I had a long-time interest in Bangladesh.
One of my close colleagues and friends of the former Justice Minister
and Foreign Minister in Bangladesh come out as saying we both served at
the same time on the Board of Directors of Rights and Democracy. We
used to talk about the issues of human rights in Bangladesh.
Then when I became the Minister of Justice and Attorney General, as you
mentioned, I actually met with the Minister of Justice from Bangladesh
twice, both times in Ottawa on the occasion of his state visits, and we
have - well I say the Canadian government has a Canada-Bangladesh joint
rule-of-law project which is intended to protect human rights as best
as it can be within the legal system and the legal process. That is
what is meant by rule-of-law project. So for all of these
considerations, I have this long-time interest if not involvement in Bangladesh. And, more recently, people were discussing this case of Mr. Choudhury in Bangladesh, I even have a fair number of constituents in my own riding in Mount-Royal who are from Bangladesh,
and the case struck me for two reasons. One, as you described it, it
appeared to be not only a case of trumped-up charges, but very similar
in the manner of his treatment by the authorities to cases of other
political prisoners who have represented over the years - namely
someone who is himself involved as a human rights defender in this
instance, a journalist who is speaking out and promoting both interface
dialogue between Jews and Muslims, peaceful relations with Israel.
Ironically enough, one of the things that he was seeking to do when he
was arrested was to attend a peace education conference in Israel, which, unknown to me at the time, I was speaking in Israel
as one of the invited people on peace education. So I began to become,
for all these reasons, interested in this case, and then read about the
fact that he was going to perhaps be put on charge for the charges as
you've now have mentioned. My office got in touch with Richard
Benkin, an American human rights activist as you mentioned who has been
on your show I believe, and he put us in touch with Mr. Choudhury. My
office discussed the case with Mr. Choudhury, and from there we went to
discussing his legal particulars and I then received from him a power
of attorney to act as his international legal counsel, and that's
exactly brings us up to date. I'm now working with his Bangladesh
lawyer, Mr. Goswami, on the preparation of his appeal. This is an
appeal from a petition that he presented in court to quash the charges.
That was denied. That's being appealed. And what's interesting, another
- apart from the fact that the, you know, the appearance of trumped-up
charges, the authorities with respect to his treatment in the criminal
justice system in Bangladesh, of which I said I have a particular
interest in, you know, denied a series of his rights as guaranteed
under Bangladesh law. I'm not talking about Canadian law. I'm talking
about the Bangladesh penal code; the Bangladesh
constitution denied his right to protection against arbitrary arrest,
to protection against illegal pre-trial detention. He had been detained
incommunicado effectively for seventeen months until after pressure, or
representations made but in the form of pressure in that regard and
protest by the PEN by-committee to protect journalists by
parliamentarians in other countries. He was released in April 2005 only
to then be the target, as you put it, of intimidation and beatings and
threats and another series of denials of rights then began to take
place. So I've been able to identify some nine violations of his rights
under Bangladesh
law, violations of such magnitude that the charges should now be
quashed even before the trial begins on the seemingly trumped-up card
charges nonetheless. BREAKENRIDGE: Well as you say then there's a
solid case for that to happen. And with the growing international
attention and pressure regarding this case, is there maybe some
optimism that that will be the outcome, that these charges will be
dropped? COTLER: Well I'll tell you, it's hard to say and previous
cases where I've represented political prisoners I've seen sometimes,
regrettably, you know people detained much longer than they should have
been and then charged and imprisoned and after you know a kind of
show-trial and then one has to keep after it, after the post-conviction
situation. We are now in the just on the eve of the actual trial, and I
would hope that the authorities would quash the charges because one,
again ironically, one of the charges against him with respect to
sedition is that he has been undermining the image of Bangladesh with
his writings, but in fact it's the other way around. It's Bangladesh that is having its image undermined by the nature of the false charges and the abusive prosecution. As I say, we in Canada have a particular interest in this because we have a joint rule-of-law project with Bangladesh in that regard. I've always had, you know, high regard for the evolving democracy in Bangladesh,
so I would hope that they would do the right thing, quash the charges,
because they can appreciate that at this point there are other
parliamentarians, and the European Union passed a resolution protesting
against his charges against him. American Congressmen have been
involved. NGOs as I've mentioned, have taken up the case, so it does
not - it is not even in the, if I can use the term, the self-interest
of Bangladesh you know to continue with this case, apart from the fact
that the very injustice of it warrants to the quashing of the charges. BREAKENRIDGE: Well and Canada does, through a variety of channels, provides a lot of money in foreign aids to Bangladesh,
to help the people of that country. Now that's what it's meant to do.
It would be unfortunate that we would use that as leverage, but maybe
it's an avenue for us to do so. Do you think it's to the point where we
should be looking at options such as that? COTLER: Well I, as I say,
I wouldn't like to see that the Bangladesh people would in any way you
know suffer from any withdrawal of you know foreign aid on our part,
but certainly I think that the Bangladesh government should be
concerned when this type of proceeding has really has an adverse impact
on the overall relationship between Canada and Bangladesh. If we have
an investment in another context in a joint rule-of-law project, then
it does not recommend the continuation of that particular project, if
in fact the project is being undermined and abused and is no longer
serving the purpose for which it was intended. I would not like to see
that happen. I think we want to encourage it in concert and partnership
with the Bangladeshi government the advancement of the rule-of-law, but
we cannot, you know, begin to acquiesce in a process which under the
cover of the rule-of-law ends up undermining the rule-of-law and
putting the people on trial when in fact they should, if anything, be
rewarded for being good citizens and speaking up in favor of interface,
dialogue, and the like. So I would hope that those in authority in Bangladesh
will see, as I say, for reasons of justice, for reasons of the
Canada-Bangladesh relationship, particularly in the matter of the joint
rule-of-law project, and for reason of their own self-image as a
country that wants to be seen to be an evolving democracy that they
would quash the charges. BREAKENRIDGE: Of course being in Parliament
now, as we all realize that the government and in particular the
Foreign Affairs Minister are of another party, but can you be an avenue
of communication with the Department of Foreign Affairs so that the
government is up to speed on this, so if Canada needs to take a
position as a country that we are well-informed and able to do so? COTLER:
Well you mentioned a good point. I think in matter of this kind this is
not a matter of party partisanship. And as it happens I have spoken
with a Member of Parliament from your area, Jason Kenney the
Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister, and I briefed him on
this case and he has himself looked into it and appreciates the nature
of the case, and I am hoping that, you know, the government will make
as well the appropriate representations in this regard. I did raise it
in Parliament before Parliament rose, and spoke in Parliament about
this case, and I'm seeking to engage now you know Parliamentarians from
the various parties, because, as I say, this is not a party free (?)
issue, it is something all Parliamentarians from whatever party and all
people concerned with human rights should in fact take up this case and
cause and make their views known to the Bangladesh authorities. BREAKENRIDGE:
Well Mr. Cotler, we'll leave it there. We'll continue to follow this
case and perhaps touch base a little bit down the road. But in the
meantime, thank you so much for your time here tonight. COTLER: Well
thank you for this. I think that the media itself, which cares so much
about you know freedom of the press and the like would also have an
interest in a fellow journalist, who not only is being imprisoned, but
is being imprisoned because he sought to exercise freedom of the press. BREAKENRIDGE: Well let's hope so. Irwin Cotler thanks again. COTLER: Good speaking with you. BREAKENRIDGE:
Alright, former Justice Minister Irwin Cotler, still Liberal MP for
Mount-Royal, also of course his background as a human rights lawyer,
still acting in that capacity now officially part of the legal team for
journalist, Bangladesh journalist Shoaib Choudhury. So as we say,
follow that case and hopefully others in the media, as Irwin says, do
take note.
Posted on 26 Dec 2006 by Root
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